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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 12:37 pm



has anyone confirmed andrew was talking about ragan and not his daughter?



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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 12:44 pm

devlin love wrote:


has anyone confirmed andrew was talking about ragan and not his daughter?




Devlin, he asked what he should get Ragan for Christmas.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:00 pm

If Andrew mentioned it on a radio show, Ragan was perfectly in his rights to show fans his anger at such a stupid thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:06 pm

Wildebeest wrote:
devlin love wrote:


has anyone confirmed andrew was talking about ragan and not his daughter?




Devlin, he asked what he should get Ragan for Christmas.

ah, i see.


i have to say that i'm surprised at ragan's reaction, because he pushes boundaries all the time.


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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:08 pm

Well he had a right to comment on a comment someone made about HIM and he excercised his right, which is his right!

Right?
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:10 pm


oh, i don't question his right to respond at all.

i'm just surprised he had that reaction, just based on what he's said in the past about how people have been offended by things he has said.


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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:12 pm

In Andrew's SP chat, he never referred to his daughter by name, but always as "my daughter". He has a lot of hangups, namely, not allowing his daughter to have anything pink or to have dolls at his home. The sad thing is, he thinks that is funny. He is fanatical about being Jewish, and is constantly pushing that. He isn't living under a rock, even though he acts like it. He called in to a radio show that was featuring a BB personality. He had to know that by referring to Ragan, that people would think it was the BB Ragan, whether he meant him or not.

Andrew is socially inept, and at the very least, owes Ragan a public apology, or explanation that it was not directed at him but his daughter. He wants respect, but doesn't know how to go about getting it. He had his SP Chat from his office and was dressed in scrubs, and wanted to make sure people were impressed that he was DR. Gordon, and not the clown he appeared on TV. Then, he had a friend come in off camera and pretend he was an irate and violent patient. Andrew thought this was very clever.

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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:26 pm

So Andrews joke is a hate crime now? Wow. Funny how Ragan could go around calling house-guests horrible things, but the moment someone crosses the line with him, he goes ape shit over it. Really? C'mon.

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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:30 pm

who called it a hate crime?
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:43 pm

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So Andrews joke is a hate crime now? Wow. Funny how Ragan could go around calling house-guests horrible things, but the moment someone crosses the line with him, he goes ape shit over it. Really? C'mon.

You might want to reread the thread - no one said that. I said Hatred hidden behind a joke is the worst. Bigotry is Hatred. They are synonymous which is why the crimes committed against people because of their race, religion, nationality, sex or sexual preferences are called Hate Crimes, that is a legal definition. Bigotry is not a bias.

For those that are having a hard time understanding how seriously wrong Andrew was substitute African-American or Polish or Catholic. Then it might become clearer. Andrew is very socially awkward but there is absolutely no excuse for such unacceptable behavior.

I admit I have a zero tolerance policy for bigotry.

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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:44 pm

I see Ragan himself is on now. I hope he shares his thoughts on this, please Ragan?
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:50 pm

Ragan is here?? happy dance 2

:::sits up straight and fluffs up hair:::

Hi, Ragan!!!! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:53 pm



Ragan?

Woo Hoo
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 2:09 pm

Thanks to everyone for a lively, important conversation. I want to clear up a few misconceptions:

1) I didn't go "go around calling house-guests horrible things, but the moment someone crosses the line with [me, I go] ape shit over it." First, there seems to be a misconception that I talked shit about everyone in the house. Let's keep things real. I talked shit about 2 people in the house: Brendon and Rachel, my 2 enemies. Other than occasionally making fun of my friend Kathy, I never made derogatory comments about anyone else in the house. Brendon and Rachel talked shit about me; I said horrible things about them. That's what you do, when you're in the context of the game and you don't like somebody else. Second, Rachel, Brendon, and I have apologized to one another, moved on, and have become friends. Third, I'm not going "ape shit." I posted two relatively mild tweets, in which I call out Andrew for his lame, homophobic joke.

2) I didn't call Andrew homophobic. I called his joke lame and homophobic. There's a significant difference in the two statements. As somebody who loves comedy, I'm more offended that Andrew's joke wasn't funny than I am by its homophobic undertones.

3) This joke needs to be placed in its appropriate context. Comparing Andrew's joke to something Matt's said is an unfair comparison. Matt has repeatedly been targeted as my "showmance" partner, so there's a context that explains why we joke the way we do. Our schtick is largely driven by the odd couple nature of our friendship. More importantly, Matt and I are best friends. When he cracks jokes about my sexuality, I know that Matt's doesn't think I'm inferior, in any way. Conversely, Andrew and I are NOT friends, in large part because Andrew repeatedly said stuff in the house that I read as homophobic. Andrew isn't being "scapegoated." His jokes are categorically different than jokes made by people I consider friends and talk to almost every day. In other words, Andrew isn't telling a joke and intending to laugh WITH me; he's telling it to laugh AT me. Somebody's being scapegoated; but it certainly is not Andrew.

4) I wasn't going to handle this in a private manner because 1) I have no desire to speak to Andrew privately; 2) he made his statement in a public forum; and 3) our exchange hasn't been heated.

At any rate, thanks for having this discussion. This stuff isn't easy to talk about but it's an important topic to bring to debate, which is one of the reasons I made my response to Andrew public.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 2:13 pm

bravo
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 2:13 pm

To Ragan and his post tens bravo tens
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 2:16 pm

Ragan, well said.

(Of course, I expect nothing less from you!) Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 2:22 pm



Memphy beat me to my response.

Thank you Ragan.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 2:23 pm

Thank you Ragan! bravo
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 2:24 pm

Thanks Ragan. You are the voice of many. Just because someone says something in what they think is a joking matter, certainly does not make it ok or right.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 2:25 pm

Thanks Ragan... my sentiments egggs-act-ly. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 2:32 pm

Thank you Ragan.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 2:55 pm

bravo and this is why I love you Ragan! Thank you!
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 3:00 pm

tens Way to go, Ragan! Well said.

bravo
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 4:05 pm

tens Ragan!

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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 4:18 pm

clap thanks Ragan.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 4:26 pm

Thank you Ragan...well said!
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 4:59 pm



Worship! bow down
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 5:05 pm

Moody, lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 5:56 pm

Thanks Moody...

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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 6:08 pm

Snow! I woship you too. Your the best Snow. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 6:17 pm

lol! snow!
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 6:27 pm

Ragan

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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 6:29 pm

I had to go back and look again... it seemed natural I didn't notice the first time roll on floor laughi
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 6:48 pm

snow wrote:
Thanks Moody...

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Snow, you totally are the best!
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 7:05 pm

snow!! Love it! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 7:30 pm

Too funny, Moody and Snow!

Thanks for adding your thoughts to the discussion here, Ragan. ITA.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 8:07 pm

Just reading about Andrew makes me cringe , do not give him extra celebrity Regan, he obviously craves for it.But I do understand you have to get your point sometimes. Thank you ,and ITA with you.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 18th 2010, 1:12 am

RAGAN FOR PRESIDENT!!!! bravo

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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 18th 2010, 3:18 am

Love Ragan!!!
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