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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 16th 2010, 7:54 pm

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What was the joke? I missed something!~
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 1:42 am

what did andrew do?
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 4:41 am

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what did andrew do?

I guess we need to listen to that boring Lane chat they were talking about in his thread.

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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 4:56 am

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what did andrew do?

I guess we need to listen to that boring Lane chat they were talking about in his thread.

Maybe Ragan can feel satisfaction in knowing that no one even listened to Andrew. I am looking at those screen caps of Ragan, is he wearing a plaid shirt and doing that hand thingy that Hayden does?
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 5:43 am

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What was the joke? I missed something!~

On Lane's chat on the Ron Rad Reality Show Tuesday, Andrew called in. He disguised his voice and said he was Steve.(Lane didn't know who he was) and told Lane he was shopping, and wondered what he should get Ragan for Christmas and asked if something from Lorren (Lane's sisters) clothing line which is for girls might be a good idea(or something along those lines).


On a side note, I can see where the joke might offend people........but did Ragan REALLY have to bring it up over twitter.

Couldn't he have handled it privately with Andrew. I don't think Andrew intended it to come across that way and could have apologized to Ragan personally before Ragan blew it up and called andrew a homophobe for everyone to see.



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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 5:57 am

Thanks- That is disrespectful but you are right give Andrew a chance to fix it before airing it on twitter. Maybe he tried. Who knows!
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 7:32 am

Maybe Andrew should have checked his mouth before he went on a radio station and make such an stupid remark. He's no kid, he's a grown man and should know better. Ugh, this pisses me off.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 7:36 am

I think the jokes like this are for the people who are in on them and its matt ,kristen and annie and of course regan
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 7:48 am


Here I go making a liar of me again, I swore off rants.
But, I am so sick of of any kind of prejudice, just sick of it. This is battle I have been fighting my whole life. Do you know lots of people I went to high school still think of me as the N' lover? I swear and all because I stood up for right.

I still can't get one of my grandsons to understand why him and his friends thinking calling each other the F word and thinking that is ultimate insult is wrong. He is in jr high and he doesn't say it around me, finally.

anyway I am sick of prejudice and it is about time it stops.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 8:41 am

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Maybe Andrew should have checked his mouth before he went on a radio station and make such an stupid remark. He's no kid, he's a grown man and should know better. Ugh, this pisses me off.

i agree it was a unintelligent and uninformed comment by Andrew.....I just don't think it is necessary for Ragan to embarass Andrew any more on twitter when Ragan could talk to him privately and hash out with Andrew why this offended him...

..I actually like Ragan often and think hes a very intelligent person, but I seem to remember him calling Rachel a whore and talking about all the STD's she has in the house (Which in my opinion is more offensive). Would he want his own slanderous comments put on twitter? I think he should talk to Andrew privately, and handle this matter that way.


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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 8:49 am

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Jack'd wrote:
Maybe Andrew should have checked his mouth before he went on a radio station and make such an stupid remark. He's no kid, he's a grown man and should know better. Ugh, this pisses me off.

i agree it was a stupid comment by Andrew.....I just don't think it is necessary for Ragan to embarass Andrew any more on twitter when Ragan could talk to him privately and hash out with Andrew why this offended him...

Yeah, they should just shut up and handle it privately.. sit in the back of the bus, go to the outside water fountain... the nerve.

I was talking to my daughter about the feminist movement. I told her that every movement has to have "bra-burners"
By that I mean people who, while they seem to be nuts or radical, are necessary to any movement.
If we want change in our society, people have to speak up.
To keep quite means acceptance IMO.

I think if you hear an insulting comment, a racist comment, an ignorant comment about someone's sexuality, then you SHOULD speak up.

This subject cuts deep with Ragan and he isn't going to "handle it privately" to spare Andrew's feelings. Why should he?
By speaking up it might just educate a few idiots out there.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 8:51 am

please if matt made this joke, he would of been crowned a comedy genius!
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 8:53 am

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please if matt made this joke, he would of been crowned a comedy genius!

Matt isn't stupid enough to confuse gender with sexuality.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 8:55 am

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Gimme wrote:
what did andrew do?

I guess we need to listen to that boring Lane chat they were talking about in his thread.

Maybe Ragan can feel satisfaction in knowing that no one even listened to Andrew. I am looking at those screen caps of Ragan, is he wearing a plaid shirt and doing that hand thingy that Hayden does?

I don't know why I know this. lol The hand sign Ragan is making with his pointer finger and pinky means rock on or horns. The one Hayden does is his pinky and thumb that means hang loose or hang ten. Useless info.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 8:56 am

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please if matt made this joke, he would of been crowned a comedy genius!

Matt isn't stupid enough to confuse gender with sexuality.

so what made ragen upset was andrews confusion of gender and sexuality or the offensiveness of it?
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 8:59 am

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please if matt made this joke, he would of been crowned a comedy genius!

Matt isn't stupid enough to confuse gender with sexuality.

so what made ragen upset was andrews confusion of gender and sexuality or the offensiveness of it?

I have a feeling this is about a doll fucking picture not Ragan. If not, you lost me.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 9:02 am

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bergen wrote:
please if matt made this joke, he would of been crowned a comedy genius!

Matt isn't stupid enough to confuse gender with sexuality.

so what made ragen upset was andrews confusion of gender and sexuality or the offensiveness of it?

I have a feeling this is about a doll fucking picture not Ragan. If not, you lost me.

Now I am lost. Doll fucking picture?
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 9:05 am

Ragan is gay. He is still a man. Andrew's attempt at humor shows how naive, unworldly...whatever adjective you would like to use. He is very immature when it comes to interaction with those different than himself. I think he was raised in a too exclusive group and what may be funny in that group is not funny to the general population and offensive to some.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 9:06 am

bergen wrote:
NancyB (admin) wrote:
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please if matt made this joke, he would of been crowned a comedy genius!

Matt isn't stupid enough to confuse gender with sexuality.

so what made ragen upset was andrews confusion of gender and sexuality or the offensiveness of it?

Yea it was Andrew making the comment about a gay guy shopping in female stores...
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 9:19 am

bergen wrote:
please if matt made this joke, he would of been crowned a comedy genius!

Good point: I say we take the time to bring up a sexist thing Matt said meant as a joke.

On Matt's goodbye message to Rachel:

"You got a little b****y and moody sometimes, I don't know if that's a female thing."

....(Ragan's good friend) I haven't heard his apology for this one yet. That offended me personally.

My point is we could do this all day with comments during the season and after.....and I agree there is a lot of prejudice out there adn it isn't right....but he didn't need to make it out like Andrew is the only one who has said somethign offensive.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 9:22 am

12345bbfan wrote:
bergen wrote:
please if matt made this joke, he would of been crowned a comedy genius!

Good point: I say we take the time to bring up a sexist thing Matt said meant as a joke.

On Matt's goodbye message to Rachel:

"You got a little b****y and moody sometimes, I don't know if that's a female thing."

....(Ragan's good friend) I haven't heard his apology for this one yet. That offended me personally.

That's a false equivalence.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 9:26 am

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12345bbfan wrote:
bergen wrote:
please if matt made this joke, he would of been crowned a comedy genius!

Good point: I say we take the time to bring up a sexist thing Matt said meant as a joke.

On Matt's goodbye message to Rachel:

"You got a little b****y and moody sometimes, I don't know if that's a female thing."

....(Ragan's good friend) I haven't heard his apology for this one yet. That offended me personally.

That's a false equivalence.

I disagree....They are both statements that were intended as jokes but were offensive to certain people.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 9:33 am

Andrews "joke" wasn't that bad and Ragan took it too personally. I laughed at it myself, in a non-homophobic manner.

Ragan has said his fair share of offensive things, he can get over it.

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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 9:37 am

Listen I am not saying what Andrew did was right, no I don't agree with him.

I just sometimes get tired of hearing people talk/scream/tweet about recism/sexism/homophobia when it isn't tied up in a pretty little package.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 9:38 am

12345bbfan wrote:
NancyB (admin) wrote:
12345bbfan wrote:
bergen wrote:
please if matt made this joke, he would of been crowned a comedy genius!

Good point: I say we take the time to bring up a sexist thing Matt said meant as a joke.

On Matt's goodbye message to Rachel:

"You got a little b****y and moody sometimes, I don't know if that's a female thing."

....(Ragan's good friend) I haven't heard his apology for this one yet. That offended me personally.

That's a false equivalence.

I disagree....They are both statements that were intended as jokes but were offensive to certain people.

This will be my last post about this:

As soon as being "bitchy and moody" keeps you out of the military, or get's you strung up on fence posts out in the middle of nowhere, or keeps you from marrying the one you love, then they are the same.
While bringing up "the female thing" is kind of crass, it's not the same as being deeply offensive like Andrew was with his so-called joke.
Believe me, he didn't mean it as a joke. He meant to be as insulting as he could get. And this isn't inside "the game" either.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 9:46 am

I do not think that Ragan overreacted at all!
Andrew was embarrassingly out of line. Truly cringe-worthy.

Hatred hidden behind a joke is just the worst.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 10:00 am

Nancy and Memphy. bravo tens


On a side note... I disagree when people say hgs should always talk about things privately. How the heck will I know anything? Lol


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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 10:02 am

Hope wrote:
Nancy and Memphy. bravo tens

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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 10:18 am

You talk things out privately with people you care about. Ragan probably doesn't like Andrew.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 10:22 am

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I do not think that Ragan overreacted at all!
Andrew was embarrassingly out of line. Truly cringe-worthy.

Hatred hidden behind a joke is just the worst.

I don't think Andrew hates Ragan......

He knows ragan is a man (at least I would hope a doctor could tell this). He is naive I think and makes stupid statements without thinking a lot. The joke was one that didn't make sense, but I guess I didn't get this deep seeded hatred towards gays when listening to it.

He may for some reason think gay men shop in women's stores (in that case he is just an idiot) but more likely he has a bias that needs to be cleared up......and if Ragan was offended he could ask him for an apology and explain why it offended him which I think Andrew would give.

......But instead Ragan scapegoated Andrew as the only person who has made a negative comment towards gays. While any homophobic comment is not a joke IMO, Andrew is not the only one who has made such and I don't think it is fair to label him as such....

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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 10:34 am

12345bbfan wrote:
memphisbelle wrote:
I do not think that Ragan overreacted at all!
Andrew was embarrassingly out of line. Truly cringe-worthy.

Hatred hidden behind a joke is just the worst.

I don't think Andrew hates Ragan......

He knows ragan is a man (at least I would hope a doctor could tell this). He is naive I think and makes stupid statements without thinking a lot. The joke was one that didn't make sense, but I guess I didn't get this deep seeded hatred towards gays when listening to it.

He may for some reason think gay men shop in women's stores (in that case he is just an idiot) but more likely he has a bias that needs to be cleared up......and if Ragan was offended he could ask him for an apology and explain why it offended him which I think Andrew would give.

......But instead Ragan scapegoated Andrew as the only person who has made a negative comment towards gays. While any homophobic comment is not a joke IMO, Andrew is not the only one who has made such and I don't think it is fair to label him as such....


It is true that Andrew is not the only one who has made a comment like that. However, he made it very publicly on a radio show and named Ragan specifically. This was not a comment made without thinking in a conversation, it was planned deliberately. I think Ragan has a right to respond to the public insult. I don't think Andrew was in any way "scapegoated", he did a bad thing and deserved to be called out on it. Also, Andrew may not hate Ragan, but his "joke" was hateful and homophobic, whether or not he meant it that way.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 10:40 am

12345bbfan wrote:
memphisbelle wrote:
I do not think that Ragan overreacted at all!
Andrew was embarrassingly out of line. Truly cringe-worthy.

Hatred hidden behind a joke is just the worst.

I don't think Andrew hates Ragan......

He knows ragan is a man (at least I would hope a doctor could tell this). He is naive I think and makes stupid statements without thinking a lot. The joke was one that didn't make sense, but I guess I didn't get this deep seeded hatred towards gays when listening to it.

He may for some reason think gay men shop in women's stores (in that case he is just an idiot) but more likely he has a bias that needs to be cleared up......and if Ragan was offended he could ask him for an apology and explain why it offended him which I think Andrew would give.

......But instead Ragan scapegoated Andrew as the only person who has made a negative comment towards gays. While any homophobic comment is not a joke IMO, Andrew is not the only one who has made such and I don't think it is fair to label him as such....


Bigotry is Hate. A crime against an individual because of their race, sex, nationality, or sexual preference is called a HATE CRIME for a reason.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 10:45 am

[quote="memphisbelle"][quote="12345bbfan"]
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Bigotry is Hate. A crime against an individual because of their race, sex, nationality, or sexual preference is called a HATE CRIME for a reason.

A prejudice or biased view or an offensive joke is a lot different than bigotry which is a LOT different than commiting a HATE CRIME.

....none of these are good, but to even be bringing that up Andrew's comment and a Hate Crime is IMO one HUGE leap.



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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 10:51 am

[quote="12345bbfan"][quote="memphisbelle"]
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Bigotry is Hate. A crime against an individual because of their race, sex, nationality, or sexual preference is called a HATE CRIME for a reason.

A prejudice or biased view or an offensive joke is a lot different than bigotry which is a LOT different than commiting a HATE CRIME.

....none of these are good, but to even be bringing that up Andrew's comment and a Hate Crime is IMO one HUGE leap.





We were discussing the definition of Hate. Bigotry and Hate are synonymous. Thus the Hate Crime as an example of the definition.

ETA: a bias is when you think people who wear plaid are tacky, it is bigotry when you feel free to make offensive statements about people based on their race, sex, nationality or sexual preference. It is perfectly normal to be biased, it is not acceptable to be a bigot.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 10:58 am

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Bigotry is Hate. A crime against an individual because of their race, sex, nationality, or sexual preference is called a HATE CRIME for a reason.

A prejudice or biased view or an offensive joke is a lot different than bigotry which is a LOT different than commiting a HATE CRIME.

....none of these are good, but to even be bringing that up Andrew's comment and a Hate Crime is IMO one HUGE leap.




We were discussing the definition of Hate. Bigotry and Hate are synonymous. Thus the Hate Crime as an example of the definition.


OK I dont know why you brought in crime (like somehow Andrew is doing that) but anyways,

I think Andrew had a bias in his jokes..........I think that WAY different from bigotry and HATE though. I can't point to anything that says he hates Ragan...

And there are a lot of biased people....If Ragan is going to name one, than why doesn't he name everyone else as well who has made a remotely homophobic comment instead of singling Andrew out....



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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 11:08 am



If people who hate and have desire to do a hate crime hear people makes jokes about the people they hate and no one objects they think;

"No one cares, so I can do whatever I want and no one will care"

Andrew made statement in public Ragan responded in public.
Now Andrew will hear from people that it is not okay.
And people who might do hate crime will think, I won't get away with this, saying this will cause me trouble. etc
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 11:15 am

[quote="12345bbfan"][quote="memphisbelle"]
12345bbfan wrote:
memphisbelle wrote:
12345bbfan wrote:
memphisbelle wrote:


Bigotry is Hate. A crime against an individual because of their race, sex, nationality, or sexual preference is called a HATE CRIME for a reason.

A prejudice or biased view or an offensive joke is a lot different than bigotry which is a LOT different than commiting a HATE CRIME.

....none of these are good, but to even be bringing that up Andrew's comment and a Hate Crime is IMO one HUGE leap.




We were discussing the definition of Hate. Bigotry and Hate are synonymous. Thus the Hate Crime as an example of the definition.


OK I dont know why you brought in crime (like somehow Andrew is doing that) but anyways,

I think Andrew had a bias in his jokes..........I think that WAY different from bigotry and HATE though. I can't point to anything that says he hates Ragan...

And there are a lot of biased people....If Ragan is going to name one, than why doesn't he name everyone else as well who has made a remotely homophobic comment instead of singling Andrew out....




Because Andrew singled him out first!

I bet Ragan calls out lots of people who make homophobic comments, but a public slur calls for a public response.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 12:01 pm

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Maybe Andrew should have checked his mouth before he went on a radio station and make such an stupid remark. He's no kid, he's a grown man and should know better. Ugh, this pisses me off.

Not only is he a grown man... but he is a physician, who most people view as the consumate professional.

Andrew has no sense of humor... no wonder why the "joke" fell flat. And I find no fault to Ragan dragging this to twitter... for a couple of reasons... but first & foremost Andrew started it in a public forum (ie... radio show).

IMO.. Andrew is socially awkward.
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PostSubject: Re: Ragan Fox   December 17th 2010, 12:28 pm

I wonder how people would be reacting if Ragan had called into a radio show and made a stupid "joke" about Andrew being Jewish. My guess is all hell would break loose. Rightfully so.

As far as the thought that Ragan should have taken it private, I disagree. The statement was made in public and Ragan had every right to show that he was offended in public.

It was a stupid joke made by Andrew at someone else's expense. He would have most definitely been offended had someone made a stupid joke about being Jewish, at his expense, and I doubt he would have remained quiet about it.
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