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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 21st 2010, 2:42 pm

andre bugs me.
he is a jerk, I feel.
something about him seems off,

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 21st 2010, 2:47 pm

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I would LOVE to see him win HOH to see what he would do with it.

I would love to see that too! 2nd only to wanting to see what Britney would do as HOH!

i think Andrew would put up Ragen & Matt. THe few times i have seen him speak, i have heard him mention both these two as being players

I'd be happy with those nominations.
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 21st 2010, 2:55 pm

Kimmie wrote:
andre bugs me.
he is a jerk, I feel.
something about him seems off,


while he is my love, definitely sometimes has a talk down to, self entitlement thing going on. Don't know why it bugs me in some but not him.
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 21st 2010, 2:56 pm

mytwocents wrote:
bergen wrote:
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I would LOVE to see him win HOH to see what he would do with it.

I would love to see that too! 2nd only to wanting to see what Britney would do as HOH!

i think Andrew would put up Ragen & Matt. THe few times i have seen him speak, i have heard him mention both these two as being players

I'd be happy with those nominations.

matt not a big deal to me, ragen i wouldn't like up
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 21st 2010, 4:37 pm

bergen wrote:
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I would LOVE to see him win HOH to see what he would do with it.

I would love to see that too! 2nd only to wanting to see what Britney would do as HOH!

i think Andrew would put up Ragen & Matt. THe few times i have seen him speak, i have heard him mention both these two as being players

I can see that, he really wants Matt gone this week. Who do you think he'd put up if one of them came off the block? I was thinking Britney but I heard that they like made up or something yesterday?
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 21st 2010, 5:25 pm

Kimmie wrote:
andre bugs me.
he is a jerk, I feel.
something about him seems off,


This is how feel about him after giving him a chance to change my mind. I thought maybe it was an act. No, he really is that mean.

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 21st 2010, 8:14 pm

I agree Kimmie...don't care for him.

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 2:31 pm

Do we know if he's sitting out POV riht now b/c of Shabbat? I feel bad b/c POV day isn't usually Saturdays. Wish they would have kept to schedule this week Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 2:38 pm

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Do we know if he's sitting out POV riht now b/c of Shabbat? I feel bad b/c POV day isn't usually Saturdays. Wish they would have kept to schedule this week Sad


Today is Saturday so he can play right?

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 2:41 pm

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Do we know if he's sitting out POV riht now b/c of Shabbat? I feel bad b/c POV day isn't usually Saturdays. Wish they would have kept to schedule this week Sad


Today is Saturday so he can play right?

Sabbath begins on Friday at sundow until Saturday sun down
It is the sabbath and he is playing.

I feel that Andrew will do whatever he can to win this game.

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 2:43 pm

Kimmie wrote:
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Do we know if he's sitting out POV riht now b/c of Shabbat? I feel bad b/c POV day isn't usually Saturdays. Wish they would have kept to schedule this week Sad


Today is Saturday so he can play right?

Sabbath begins on Friday at sundow until Saturday sun down
It is the sabbath and he is playing.

I feel that Andrew will do whatever he can to win this game.

Thanks Kimmie! I agree he will fight for the veto today. Do you think he was lying to Brendon about throwing it to him?

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 2:44 pm

Is it possible to Fake, faking it?
like he wants brendon to think he is going to throw it, but actually win it?!

LOL!

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:05 pm

I wonder why he decided to play. I thought he wasn't going to. I wonder if they told him the type of comp. Maybe he decided to play b/c it wasn't physical? Hm.
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:07 pm

BB stated that they would not alter the game for him.
I don't know if they would tell him or not, I would think not.

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:13 pm

I was reading about the Sabbath and found this list of things that are considered "work".. so as long as he doesn't:



1. Carrying
2. Burning
3. Extinguishing
4. Finishing
5. Writing
6. Erasing
7. Cooking
8. Washing
9. Sewing
10. Tearing
11. Knotting
12. Untying
13. Shaping
14. Plowing
15. Planting
16. Reaping
17. Harvesting
18. Threshing
19. Winnowing
20. Selecting
21. Sifting
22. Grinding
23. Kneading
24. Combing
25. Spinning
26. Dyeing
27. Chain-stitching
28. Warping
29. Weaving
30. Unraveling
31. Building
32. Demolishing
33. Trapping
34. Shearing
35. Slaughtering
36. Skinning
37. Tanning
38. Smoothing
39. Marking

He should be fine. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:15 pm

lol! moody!
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:24 pm

Sending positive thoughts to Andrew!
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:24 pm

lol, moody

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:30 pm

lol!

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33. Trapping
34. Shearing
35. Slaughtering
36. Skinning

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:32 pm

Moody wrote:
I was reading about the Sabbath and found this list of things that are considered "work".. so as long as he doesn't:



1. Carrying
2. Burning
3. Extinguishing
4. Finishing
5. Writing
6. Erasing
7. Cooking
8. Washing
9. Sewing
10. Tearing
11. Knotting
12. Untying
13. Shaping
14. Plowing
15. Planting
16. Reaping
17. Harvesting
18. Threshing
19. Winnowing
20. Selecting
21. Sifting
22. Grinding
23. Kneading
24. Combing
25. Spinning
26. Dyeing
27. Chain-stitching
28. Warping
29. Weaving
30. Unraveling
31. Building
32. Demolishing
33. Trapping
34. Shearing
35. Slaughtering
36. Skinning
37. Tanning
38. Smoothing
39. Marking

He should be fine. Smile

I am sorry to say, Moody, but even so I am not an Orthodox or very observant Jew, I am a bit offended by the above. You are using a very literal list from Torah to justify a little laugh at the expense of observant Jews, while those who choose to observe Shabbat follow this:
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Jewish law (halakha) prohibits doing any form of melakhah (מְלָאכָה, plural melakhot) on Shabbat, with some exceptions. Though melakhah is commonly translated as "work" in English, a better definition is "deliberate activity" or "skill and craftmanship". There are 39 categories of prohibited activities (melakhot) listed in Mishnah Tractate Shabbat Chapter 7, Mishna 2).

Different streams of Judaism view the prohibition on work in different ways. Observant Orthodox and Conservative Jews refrain from performing the prohibited activities. These prohibited activities are exegetically derived based on juxtaposition of corresponding Biblical passages from the kinds of work that were necessary for the construction of the Tabernacle. They are not directly listed in the Torah; elsewhere, the Mishnah observes that "the laws of Shabbat [...] are like mountains hanging by a hair, for they are little Scripture but many laws".[13] Many religious scholars have pointed out that these labors have in common activity that is "creative," or that exercises control or dominion over one's environment.

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:37 pm

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You are using a very literal list from Torah to justify a little laugh at the expense of observant Jews

I didn't take that away from Moody's post.

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:45 pm

she wasn't making a joke at jews.
She was stating basically what you were saying current..

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:50 pm

I guess that is why Nancy has the rule about not talking religion or politics. I apologize for offending, my intent was to stand up for Andrew.
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:55 pm

Kimmie wrote:
she wasn't making a joke at jews.
She was stating basically what you were saying current..

Perhaps I misunderstood the intent. My apologies.

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 3:56 pm

Wow, I just did search, there are so many versions of observance in the Jewish faith, it seems Modern Othodoxy even has great range in it. One is the relaxation of laws but others focus on the more involvement with women and including education and social justice. It is wide and varied.

The main thing I learned from my search is it is more complex than I knew and how little I do know. So I am going on faith.

Faith that Andrew is faithful to his religious beliefs and whatever he does will reflect that.
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 7:23 pm

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Kimmie wrote:
she wasn't making a joke at jews.
She was stating basically what you were saying current..

Perhaps I misunderstood the intent. My apologies.

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 7:26 pm

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Perhaps I misunderstood the intent. My apologies.

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Did I say something wrong?

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 8:04 pm

I think this POV did involve writing. WHich is forbidden on the Shabbat. I wonder if he got someone else to write it fo him. This will be shown on TV and it can't make him feel very good if he participated in it.
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 8:35 pm

IMO only, how Andrew practices his religion is his business. I just like him. He can be really funny, AND he has nice legs!!
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 8:41 pm

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IMO only, how Andrew practices his religion is his business. I just like him. He can be really funny, AND he has nice legs!!

I could not agree more with this entire post

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 8:51 pm

Andrew is Modern Orthodox. That is not the same as Orthodox.

The Catholics can't go to confession. Any Southern Baptists have missed church for well over a month and no one has had communion.

My point is that all players are having to adapt in some form or fashion and my personal opinion is this: how Andrew adapts his religion to Big Brother is between him, his rabbi and God. I admire him for doing his best to be true to his beliefs.
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 9:09 pm

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IMO only, how Andrew practices his religion is his business. I just like him. He can be really funny, AND he has nice legs!!

How Andrew practices his religion is none of my business either, but I disagree with CBS playing up the Orthodox label.

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 9:10 pm

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Andrew is Modern Orthodox. That is not the same as Orthodox.

The Catholics can't go to confession. Any Southern Baptists have missed church for well over a month and no one has had communion.

My point is that all players are having to adapt in some form or fashion and my personal opinion is this: how Andrew adapts his religion to Big Brother is between him, his rabbi and God. I admire him for doing his best to be true to his beliefs.


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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 9:12 pm

Current you may be right about CBS. And I can see why if they are doing that it would be offensive.
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 9:40 pm

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Andrew is Modern Orthodox. That is not the same as Orthodox.

The Catholics can't go to confession. Any Southern Baptists have missed church for well over a month and no one has had communion.

My point is that all players are having to adapt in some form or fashion and my personal opinion is this: how Andrew adapts his religion to Big Brother is between him, his rabbi and God. I admire him for doing his best to be true to his beliefs.

It's only between Andrew and G_d (if I want to be proper). Rabbis are teachers, advisers and religious leaders, but in Judaism they don't serve as conduits to G_d.

I just want to explain that I am not offended by how Andrew practices his religion. Far be it for me to say as I am "High Holiday" Jew, do not keep Shabbat, do not keep Kosher and eat bacon (yum!). There are many issues that I disagree on with Orthodox (modern or Hassidim or otherwise) and Conservative Judaism practices. But when I interact with people who practice these versions of Judaism or attend the services in their temples (when no other options are available for High Holidays), I respect the rules of stricter practice, accept the kindness of sharing their temple and behave in the manner appropriate to the particular shul (wear a skirt, stay on the women side, cover my head). I am, however, offended by the emphasis CBS seems to be placing on the how "Orthodox" Andrew's practices are - emphasizing the "kosher" label and Shabbat restrictions. They are making him look a bit of a hypocrite, while his explanation to the rest of the HGs about doing as much as the circumstances permit is much different from strict Orthodoxy. I wish CBS would actually show that discussion.

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 24th 2010, 9:47 pm

Current, I do understand about rabbis, I have a friend who is a rabbi and so you know at first I did not include him but then decided that Andrew might have discussed it with his rabbi prior to going to Big Brother. As that would help him decide how he was going to do this challenge.

I am Presbyterian and we to have no one between us and God either but many would choose to talk with their minister if they were going to be involved with something that might have a conflict with their beliefs.

I would have to believe that there are some who work on the show who are Jewish. I do hate that you are offended by the portrayal. I truly do.
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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 28th 2010, 8:30 am

They better not kick him out Thursday...

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 28th 2010, 12:49 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Andrew Gordon   July 28th 2010, 12:50 pm

I wish Andrew would stay over Kathy.

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