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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 6:29 am

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sad show...Jon seems so depressed...I hope they get therapy to help them through this. I thought they were both quite frank...but, telling us just what they think we, the public, should know...not everything. Looking at Jon throughout the show made me cry...they have everything...a lovely new home, 8 beautiful children, $$ that will help them raise the kids...and yet, they are soooo unhappy. There's a moral in here somewhere.

I caught the last little bit of the show they both looked so unhappy and it really broke my heart to all involved. This is what I believe, money isn't everything it can only take you so far.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 7:10 am

I am sure Jon and Kate are not telling us everything. Why should they? They are not hiding the fact the marriage is in trouble so it is not like they are not trying to fool the public.

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Jfan, are you saying that you don't believe what Jodi, Kevin, and Julie have been saying publicly? I honestly don't think any of us are getting the complete picture of what is really going on with them, but I don't believe those three would just lie for months about the situation, whether they are getting paid now for their stories or not. Jon's 'getting paid' comment might have been about rag/gossip writers and paparazzi that are paid to publish stories about them, who knows?

I think they are pissed off that Kate did not want them earning money from the show. I think they started gossiping on line about Kate and Jon when that went down. When they saw the chance to make a buck off of talking, I believe they embellished things to make a better story.

Whether I am right or not about that, I do not for ONE SECOND believe that Jodi and Kevin and this Julie person have the best interests of the Gosselin kids at heart. There is no way concievable it is in the best interest of those kids to have family members publicly gossiping about their parents. I have yet to hear a good argument for how trashing their Mom and/or Dad publicly is going to help those kids.

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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 7:33 am

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I am sure Jon and Kate are not telling us everything. Why should they? They are not hiding the fact the marriage is in trouble so it is not like they are not trying to fool the public.

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Jfan, are you saying that you don't believe what Jodi, Kevin, and Julie have been saying publicly? I honestly don't think any of us are getting the complete picture of what is really going on with them, but I don't believe those three would just lie for months about the situation, whether they are getting paid now for their stories or not. Jon's 'getting paid' comment might have been about rag/gossip writers and paparazzi that are paid to publish stories about them, who knows?

I think they are pissed off that Kate did not want them earning money from the show. I think they started gossiping on line about Kate and Jon when the that went down. When they saw the chance to make a buck off of talking, I believe they embellished things to make a better story.

Whether I am right or not about that, I do not for ONE SECOND belief that Jodi and Kevin and this Julie person have the best interests of the Gosselin kids at heart. There is no way concievable it is in the best interest of those kids to have family member publicly gossiping about their parents. I have yet to hear a good argument for how trashing their Mom and/or Dad publicly is going to help those kids.


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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 7:55 am

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I'm not sure what to think while watching tonight. They're making it seem like their problems are really all due to Jon and his actions. Wonder what the truth is about Jon saying Kate told him it was over more than six months ago??

Hmmm, what Jodi and Kevin got paid to tell the Star, right? Jon said "People are getting paid off to say what they are going to say. I mean, if I paid you $20,000 to say something, who knows what you would say?" Seems to me he was refuting what Jodi and Kevin had to say with that comment.

I didn't see the show, but if this is what Jon said, I would bet my bottom dollar that he is referring to Deanna's (the other woman) brother. The one who took the video of Jon coming out of their home early in the morning.

If he was refuting Jodi & Kevin's comments, then IMO that's his fault, he shouldn't have gone to them and spilled his guts that Kate came to him with a contract that said he could live his life as he see fits as long as he shows up for taping of the show and that the marriage has been over for 6 months.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 8:45 am

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If he was refuting Jodi & Kevin's comments, then IMO that's his fault, he shouldn't have gone to them and spilled his guts that Kate came to him with a contract that said he could live his life as he see fits as long as he shows up for taping of the show and that the marriage has been over for 6 months.

See that is what I think Jodi and Kevin are lying about - or embellishing if you you think lying is too harsh. I expect the story starts with a grain of truth, Jon making a comment that "the marriage has been in trouble for six months" and/or that "Kate has no reason to be angry she said i could do what I want" and they built it up into this whole contract thing.

Sorry but Jodi and her sister had little credibility when they were gossiping about relatives on line. Jodi and Kevin lost all credibility when they sold the story to make money off the marital troubles of the parents of kids they claim to love.

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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 11:49 am

I think this is just a fabulous review of last night's show. It's on the MTV site of all things.

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Jon & Kate Plus Eight’ Premiere: A Bummer On So Many Levels
Published by Jim Cantiello on Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 12:06 pm.
Monday night’s season premiere of the TLC hit “Jon & Kate Plus Eight” should have been re-titled “Jon & Kate Plus Eight Divided By A Cheating Scandal Multiplied By Paparazzi = A Depressing Clusterf—.” And, sadly, I couldn’t stop watching it. It was like the second-half of “Boogie Nights,” when the perverse pleasure of watching a bunch of porn stars turned into a harrowing claustrophobic nightmare, with characters desperately trying to escape their life situation, yet completely stuck in the path they’ve chosen for themselves (but, you know, with less cocaine and giant … well, you know …).

For those of you who have somehow avoided the newsstands or the gossip blogs (or have never been hung over and caught a marathon of the show), Jon and Kate Gosselin are the parents of eight children — a pair of twins and a set of sextuplets. Their lives have been documented since the sextuplets’ birth in various TV specials, and eventually, a popular TV series on the cable network that gets off on airing shows that feature unorthodox families, rare medical conditions and makeovers where cat ladies learn how to hide their cankles. Audiences loved watching how Jon and Kate handled the stress of raising eight children, and the warts-and-all depiction of their relationship was endearing. (If you had a nickel for every time Jon rolled his eyes at his demanding wife, you’d be as richer than hollandaise.) In the past several months, however, once stories started to bubble up that Jon might be less-than-faithful to his partner, Jon and Kate’s rocky relationship wasn’t charming or funny anymore. It was eye-opening and sad.

While glued to the entire 74-minute premiere, which was obviously rushed into production in order to incorporate the latest cheating headlines, I felt hopelessly depressed by the vicious cycle Jon and Kate are stuck in. Their entire well-being is hinged on having a reality show. They sell books, she does speaking tours, and they get freebies galore thanks to integrated marketing — not to mention the hefty salary TLC presumably sends their way. They’ve painted themselves into a corner where their fame is dependent on having cameras in their home, and as much as some gossip rags paint Kate as a fame-hungry diva, she clearly knows her place in the pop culture landscape. She understands that if “Jon and Kate” turns into “Kate Minus Jon,” the train stops. Can you fault them for wanting to provide for their family? At the same time, though, it’s the reality show which, I imagine, is a huge factor in the couple’s marital problems. The last thing a troubled relationship needs is cameras documenting its dissolution.

Last night’s episode was a bummer on so many levels. First of all, they were brutally honest in their depiction of the scandal and its effects on the relationship. The interviews which the pair often did as a couple were now two solo confessionals. (Anyone else think they accidentally switched over to HBO’s finale of the therapy soap “In Treatment” midway through?) Jon looked like he had been crying and/or drinking for weeks. His eyes were bloodshot, he was bloated, his delivery always defensive but with an “I give up” sigh. The few times Jon and Kate appeared on camera together were painful to watch, whether it was a brief uncomfortable interview or their kids’ 5th birthday party, they tiptoed around each other like arch nemeses. (In fact, Kate acknowledged the paparazzo’s presence more than her husband’s.)

Thankfully, the kids didn’t seem to be (that) affected by all the drama, aside from one heart-grabbing moment when Kate’s older kids helped their overwhelmed mom plan their sibling’s birthday party while their dad locked himself in his bedroom to get away from his wife … and the TV crew. The children appeared to have a blast at their birthday party, but speaking as a product of divorce, kids pick up on all the subtleties. It’s only a matter of time before Jon and Kate’s hostility towards each other become fodder for the therapist’s couch. (You think birthday presents for eight is expensive? Try paying for eight therapists!!) Just wait till the kids are old enough to watch these tapes. Hell, I was ready to call my therapist after Kate admitted she wanted a family photo taken at the kids’ 5th birthday party because she knew it was the last birthday they’d celebrate together as a family.

Am I saying that Jon and Kate’s relationship would survive if they never did a reality show? Not exactly. Kate herself brought up that statistics indicate that parents of multiples overwhelmingly get divorced. I guess all I am pointing out is the depressing observation that their financial stability is dependant on their lack of familial stability. The worse things get for them, the more money they make. And I feel dirty and responsible for contributing to their unhappiness. Every Nielsen household who watched should pitch in to cover the divorce costs. And, God help me, it’d be money well spent. Because as disgusting it is to watch a couple crumble, it makes for bloody brilliant television.

Did you watch the premiere last night? What did you think? Will you keep watching? Did the tabloids make you tune in, too? And between “Jon and Kate,” “In Treatment” and “Breaking Bad,” is this not shaping up to be the most depressing week of television ever?
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 11:55 am

I just finished watching last night's episode, which I had taped. I found it so incredibly sad. Both parents seem to be in pain. I'm not sure who cheated on who or if they cheated, but it seems really clear to me that both of them really love their kids. One scene in particular made me want to cry. Jon was talking to one of the little girls about her "boy friend", and she was telling him that she only hugs and kisses her parents. She and Jon hugged, and you could see the pain on his face. I also felt bad for Kate, and in the past I just saw her as a shrew. The kids are adorable and they look happy, but they are probably clueless right now.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 11:59 am

Anyone old enough to remember the 1973 PBS series An American Family..
probably TV's first reality show?

So much of what is happening to the Gosselins reminds me of watching the Loud family fall apart.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 12:01 pm

Thanks, Nancy. Very good article.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 12:02 pm

NancyB (admin) wrote:
Anyone old enough to remember the 1973 PBS series An American Family..
probably TV's first reality show?

So much of what is happening to the Gosselins reminds me of watching the Loud family fall apart.

I've heard about that show, but never saw it. I was too young. I wonder if I can get it from Netflix.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 12:08 pm

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NancyB (admin) wrote:
Anyone old enough to remember the 1973 PBS series An American Family..
probably TV's first reality show?

So much of what is happening to the Gosselins reminds me of watching the Loud family fall apart.

I've heard about that show, but never saw it. I was too young. I wonder if I can get it from Netflix.

I bet you could find out a lot about it on the PBS website.
The son, Lance, who came out on the show is now dead. He died at age 50 of complications of AIDS.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 12:16 pm

Nancy, I agree that is a very good review. It is far to easy to call Kate a bitch and shrew and blame all the problems on her. I just see it as a sad situation that evolved over time.

What we are really looking at is a family who was struggling and barely getting by (Jon had lost his job around the time the sextuplets were born). When they were offered money to be home with the kids and film their lives, it must have struck both Jon and Kate as an answer to a prayer. They did give away their privacy but the trade off seem to be providing for their kids and being able to spend time with them.

From there, things took on a life of their own. And honestly neither Kate or Jon had any way to know how this experience would change either of them. Kate is far more introverted than Jon and I doubt she predicted at the beginning that should would thrive from the attention she gets from writing books and doing media appearances. Jon was very outgoing and I doubt he predicted at the beginning that whe would be bothered by having every action he takes scrutinized. Like many married folks, I think they grew away from each other rather than toward each other.

It is sad. I think they really do need to plan for how they will take care of their family beyond or without the show. Jon clearly does not enjoy being a full time, at home parent. (And I am not saying he doesn't love his kids - not everyone is cut out for stay at home parenting.) He needs to stop thinking his only option is to either write books and give lectures (Kate's chosen path) or be at home with the kids. If he has a background in IT, he should pursue an IT job.

Kate needs to decide how to have a media career she seems to enjoy without completely sacrificing time with the kids. I am not sure their marriage has a chance anyway but it definately doesn't if they both don't find a way to do something they feel good about.

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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 7:00 pm

Some interesting posts here. Nothing nasty. Both sides being aired.

http://www.facebook.com/JonandKatePlusEight
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 8:03 pm

With ratings like this, I don't think this show is going anywhere soon.


The law of trainwrecks—hard to watch, harder not to watch—was in full effect during last night's Jon & Kate Plus 8.

The reality show's heavily promoted fifth-season premiere, featuring octoparents Jon and Kate Gosselin addressing the state of their tabloid-tracked marriage (from separate couches, no less), averaged nearly 10 million gawkers.

With 9.8 million viewers, per TLC, the episode drew more eyeballs than Farrah Fawcett's recent NBC cancer documentary and more people than all-time top-rated cable fare such as the original High School Musical.

Unfortunately, there is no Nielsen stat on how many people just felt bad for the kids.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 9:28 pm

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Some interesting posts here. Nothing nasty. Both sides being aired.

[url=http://www.facebook.com/JonandKatePlusEight
http://www.facebook.com/JonandKatePlusEight[/quote[/url]]

Interesting comments. the only problem I have is with Mady bashing comments. Nasty comments about an 8 year old never getting married are obnoxious.


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Kate allows Mady to be an absolute disrespectful brat, that child needs serious help with a therapist as the rest of the kids will become very resentful of her being allowed to act this way, they might as well get used to having her around the rest of their lives because no man in his right mind would want to marry her and have to deal with her attitude (another reason why Kate is always saying that Mady is just like her). I would never allow one of my children to act that way.

Honestly, Kate made a point of how helpful Mady and Cara both had been in getting ready for the party; Mady had one incident of not wanting to be in more than one family picture. Well honestly, she is probably the most perceptive about her family falling apart. Also, she has to be feeling very rejected by Jon ... he has gone places 1:1 with Cara and/or taken her along with boys .. and never has bothered to do so with Mady. I am curious to see how Mady behaves when she gets some individual attention from one of her parents.

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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 9:52 pm

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Some interesting posts here. Nothing nasty. Both sides being aired.

http://www.facebook.com/JonandKatePlusEight[/quote]

Interesting comments. the only problem I have is with Mady bashing comments. Nasty comments about an 8 year old never getting married are obnoxious.


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Kate allows Mady to be an absolute disrespectful brat, that child needs serious help with a therapist as the rest of the kids will become very resentful of her being allowed to act this way, they might as well get used to having her around the rest of their lives because no man in his right mind would want to marry her and have to deal with her attitude (another reason why Kate is always saying that Mady is just like her). I would never allow one of my children to act that way.

Honestly, Kate made a point of how helpful Mady and Cara both had been in getting ready for the party; Mady had one incident of not wanting to be in more than one family picture. Well honestly, she is probably the most perceptive about her family falling apart. Also, she has to be feeling very rejected by Jon ... he has gone places 1:1 with Cara and/or taken her along with boys .. and never has bothered to do so with Mady. I am curious to see how Mady behaves when she gets some individual attention from one of her parents.

jfan, she'll get that attention on next week's episode I believe. Supposedly, it's the episode where Kate takes her to LA and they go to a Spa. I agree about her being the most perceptive about the family's problems. I also think all the children are to some degree aware. If they are not, they soon will be. From what I've been reading, the kids had their school mates at the party, so I would assume these kids would want to watch themselves on TV, therefore, hearing everything J/K had to say. How many 5 yr. olds can keep what they've heard quiet when they meet up in school, I'm guessing not many.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 26th 2009, 11:53 pm

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Nancy, I agree that is a very good review. It is far to easy to call Kate a bitch and shrew and blame all the problems on her. I just see it as a sad situation that evolved over time.

What we are really looking at is a family who was struggling and barely getting by (Jon had lost his job around the time the sextuplets were born). When they were offered money to be home with the kids and film their lives, it must have struck both Jon and Kate as an answer to a prayer. They did give away their privacy but the trade off seem to be providing for their kids and being able to spend time with them.

From there, things took on a life of their own. And honestly neither Kate or Jon had any way to know how this experience would change either of them. Kate is far more introverted than Jon and I doubt she predicted at the beginning that should would thrive from the attention she gets from writing books and doing media appearances. Jon was very outgoing and I doubt he predicted at the beginning that whe would be bothered by having every action he takes scrutinized. Like many married folks, I think they grew away from each other rather than toward each other.

It is sad. I think they really do need to plan for how they will take care of their family beyond or without the show. Jon clearly does not enjoy being a full time, at home parent. (And I am not saying he doesn't love his kids - not everyone is cut out for stay at home parenting.) He needs to stop thinking his only option is to either write books and give lectures (Kate's chosen path) or be at home with the kids. If he has a background in IT, he should pursue an IT job.

Kate needs to decide how to have a media career she seems to enjoy without completely sacrificing time with the kids. I am not sure their marriage has a chance anyway but it definately doesn't if they both don't find a way to do something they feel good about.

good posting

I agree that Jon needs a job outside the house...you are so true, jfan, not everyone is cut out to be a stay at home parent and I think that Jon is one of those people. My heart ached for these two young people as I watched the season opener last night. I think the network should insist that they seek counseling. And they should have offered classes or workshops to Jon and Kate on how to best handle their new life as things around them began to change. I read somewhere that they now earn over 3 million dollars a season from the show alone...that's a whole different life than anything they had been used to before.

A friend of mine's friend won the lottery some years back...about 10 million dollars, after taxes. She said to my friend it was the happiest day of her life and the saddest day of her life...sad, because she knew things would never be the same... and as hard as they had worked all their life prior to their winning the lottery it was the only life they'd ever known. She said there were bigger problems and harder decisions that came after winning that much $$. She even said that part of her, and her husband, wished they'd never won the $$.
I'm sure a part of Jon, and Kate too, wish they could just go back to the way it was without the cameras and find a way to make it all work out. It's almost like they are in way too deep now...but, then again...
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 27th 2009, 6:39 am

Just watching The Early Show and Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin, I'm sorry but they need to keep their f'n pieholes SHUT! Its all about the children and protecting the children, well guys hate to tell you but you spewing all your "opinions" aren't protecting the children. WTF ever!
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 27th 2009, 8:21 am

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Just watching The Early Show and Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin, I'm sorry but they need to keep their f'n pieholes SHUT! Its all about the children and protecting the children, well guys hate to tell you but you spewing all your "opinions" aren't protecting the children. WTF ever!

I saw it too and was so not impressed. The interviewer did not ask any difficult questions ... like:

- if you want to help the children, why did you sell your story to the Star and Radar on Line?

- haven't you contributed to the ratings bonanza that occured Monday night and, if so, how does that serve to bring an end to the show?

- has it occurred to you that a better way to change child labor laws would be to lobby your state legislature rather than selling your story to the tabloids?

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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 27th 2009, 7:08 pm

Kate Gosselin to Release Love Is in the Mix Cookbook
Wednesday May 27, 2009

Kate Gosselin attends a signing for her books "Eight Little Faces" and "Multiple Bles8ings" at Barnes & Noble at the Americana April 14, 2009 in Glendale, CA.
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'Kate Gosselin to Release Love Is in the Mix Cookbook',
summary:'Kate Gosselin has plenty on her plate, but that isn\'t stopping her from publishing a new cookbook. Her third book, Love Is in the Mix: Making Meals into Memories, is due to hit stores Oct. 13, 2009, according to Amazon.com.


Kate Gosselin has plenty on her plate, but that isn't stopping her from publishing a new cookbook.
Her third book, Love Is in the Mix: Making Meals into Memories, is due to hit stores Oct. 13, 2009, according to Amazon.com.
See Jon and Kate Gosselin through the years.
The Jon & Kate Plus 8 star is already the author of Multiple Bles8ings: Surviving to Thriving with Twins and Sextuplets and the recently released Eight Little Faces, for which she has recently traveled the nation to promote.
"Fans ... won’t want to miss this inside look at one of America’s most famous close-knit families," the back cover states.
See photos of reality love gone bad.
In addition to offering nutritious recipes and tips on eating organically, Love Is in the Mix promises to teach readers "how to craft family traditions that create happy memories" and "how to feed a large family on a budget." The book will include family photos and anecdotes about her twins and sextuplets.
According to the site, Kate will also offer insight into handling picky eaters, making lunchtime fun, planning meals for vacations, and making ordinary days "extra special."
See what your favorite stars look like with Kate Gosselin's hairdo.
Although excerpts from the book have not yet been released, commenters have already begun slamming the star's previously released recipes and claim she stole them "from product boxes and magazine articles."
One person wrote that her recipe for the cereal treat Monkey Munch -- which was mentioned on the TLC show -- is the same as one on the Chex brand website and calls it "plagiarism."
See photos of Jon Gosselin and his mistress.
Other commenters were shocked that the woman who once said that "real cooks don't need recipes" was qualified to write a cookbook. They wrote on Amazon.com that on the show, Kate does little to "no cooking, no meals, just snacks -- crackers, yogurt, grapes, cukes and peppers in pita. The woman can't cook."
Still, with Kate's previous two books reaching the New York Times Best Seller list, the book's publishers are likely expecting similar success with Love Is in the Mix. In addition to her income from book sales, the newest issue of Us Weekly, on newsstands today, reports that the Gosselins -- who live in a $1.1 million house -- earn approximately $50,000 to $75,000 per show.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 27th 2009, 7:22 pm

I wonder if this new book is why Emeril appears on the show this season.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 4:42 am

Article from E Weekly.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b126045_Kates_Brother_Next_in_Line_to_Sell_Out_Gosselins.html


Kate's Brother Next in Line to Sell Out Gosselins





We'll say this for the disgruntled brother of Jon Gosselin's alleged mistress: At least he ratted out his sister free of charge.

But when it comes to the Jon & Kate Plus 8 clan's own family, prepare to open the checkbook.

E! News has learned that as recently as this morning, Kate Gosselin's brother Kevin Kreider has been shopping his tell-all take on the situation to media outlets for $30,000.

Ironically, Kreider—unsurprisingly estranged from sis Kate—appeared today on CBS' Early Show with his equally outraged and camera-ready wife, Jodi, complaining that the strained reality couple's eight children were being "exploited" and treated as "a commodity."

The Kreiders, on the other hand, insist they're now coming forward not just to fill their bank account, but out of concern for the kids.

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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 6:02 am

I call B.S.

I think they all see the ship is sinking and want to get their hands on $$$$

Disturbing and sad.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 7:57 am

Wow...so sad, indeed. Money is the root of all evil. Selling out your own family...I can't imagine.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 8:57 am

They sound like losers.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 10:29 am

I read a while back, before all this latest drama began, that Kate has been rather estranged from her family since she married Jon. Notice you never see them on show, Kate has mentioned them, saying she loves them etc...but something happened when she married Jon and had the girls. I know her father is a minister of some sort, and perhaps that has something to do with things....

But, her family has never really been part a of their lives, at least not in a way one would expect.

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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 12:03 pm

MSN article with John's old boss quoted:

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=411303&gt1=28103



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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 12:45 pm

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MSN article with John's old boss quoted:

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=411303>1=28103



Those precious kids...... :no:

It sure is open season on bashing Kate! Honestly, I wonder why he ever married or had children with her if she is that horrible. Regardless, it is starting to seem that people will stop at nothing to bring that woman down.

Still shaking my head wondering how destroying a the children's mother through nasty gossip and innuendo is going to help those kids one bit.

BTW, the posters at Gosselins Without Pity (Aunt Jodi's sister's site) make the Survivor Sucks folks seem kind and gentle. I had to stop reading when one woman called Kate fat, someone called her on it, and the response was something like "we just call her fat because we hate her so much." Another poster wrote something along the lines of "I wouldn't pee on her if her hair was on fire but I would pee on her if it wasn't." The hypocracy of them pretending there are concerned about the children astounds me.

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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 12:47 pm

Ohhh boy. This whole thing is just sad.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 2:31 pm

And what's sadder, is just like Jon says, this stuff is all on the internet for their kids to read later in life.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 9:44 pm

Maybe Jon should go back to work at Style Craft so he has more than $5 a day to spend... and he'd feel good about himself again having a job outside the home... although I really don't believe that she'd deny him $$$ that is his $$ also.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 10:25 pm

When he worked for that guy, she was pregnant with the sextuplets, they had the twins, she was on bed rest and they were hurting for money. Maybe she did have him on $5 a day. Maybe they had no more than that to spend.

Since the show started, Jon hasn't seemed to be hurting from money.

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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 10:34 pm

I thought I remember Jon working when the show first started. Also, I thought Kate worked on Saturdays to support the family as a nurse when the show first started. I think they did have something good when it started, but man it sucks now.


Hate it for the kids....
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 28th 2009, 10:56 pm

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I thought I remember Jon working when the show first started. Also, I thought Kate worked on Saturdays to support the family as a nurse when the show first started. I think they did have something good when it started, but man it sucks now.


Hate it for the kids....

Yes Jon did work when the show first started, then left that job. He got another job that was more flexible, so that he could be home more to help Kate.

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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 29th 2009, 1:01 am

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When he worked for that guy, she was pregnant with the sextuplets, they had the twins, she was on bed rest and they were hurting for money. Maybe she did have him on $5 a day. Maybe they had no more than that to spend.

Since the show started, Jon hasn't seemed to be hurting from money.

Now, this scenario would make a lot of sense...usually with these tabloids we get half the true story, if that.
I read somewhere that they've signed on to do 40 shows this season...40!! I just can't see this family living happily ever after.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 29th 2009, 3:10 pm

Paul Petersen speaks out on CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2009/05/29/sbt.paul.peterson.cnn?iref=videosearch

LaLa, you are correct, she is estranged from her parents as well as her three sisters and probably now her brother, Kevin. The estrangement with her parents happened after the tups were born. Supposedly, her parents took care of Mady & Cara while Kate was on bed rest with the tups and Jon worked. Jon's sees his Mom, but it is unknown if the kids do (Jon & Kate have said that none of the grandparents play an active part in their children's lives, so I would guess they don't). I do know that the tups refer to her as Daddy's Mommy, not Grandma. Jon's dad passed away when the tups were 7/8 months old and supposedly he was a hands on helpful grandfather who some are even saying that he was also there financially for them.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 29th 2009, 3:36 pm

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Of course, she is estranged now from her brother. He just publicly started rumors about her having an affair. Who wouldn't be stranged from a family member over that?

Yes, the story I heard (and who knows how true any of the stories are) about the estrangement from her parents was that the church her father was a pastor of took up donations for the family. I guess cribs and goods were donated as well as some rooms of their house being painted. Kate was not happy about mismatched cribs (she does have a thing about everything being matchy matchy) or the murals painted (I recently saw one on a clip .. it was a pretty hideous rendition of humpty dumpty). Her parents did not feel she showed the proper gratitude and opted out of being involved.

That story came form Aunt Jodi's sister, Julie, I believe so who knows how accurate the retelling is. I also wonder if Kevin is estranged from his sisters and parents. have read and heard about Jodi's parents being at her house but not Kevin's.

There are lots of stories that get told and we only get pieces of them slanted one way or another. For example, I wonder if anyone got Kate's approval for that mural before it was painted or did they just go ahead? (I find it hard to believe she would have said go ahead and paint that mural.) I do know if someone had painted the walls of my babies nursery without my sign off, Iwould be upset too.

The latest issues I saw Kevin and Jodi trying to make sound sinister on Radar On Line was that Kate as a child tried to pawn her chores off on Kevin (been there, down that) and Jon and Kate do not go to church every week (been there, done that).

The bitterness of Kevin and Jodi is palpable.



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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 29th 2009, 3:59 pm

jfan, I said probably Kevin because I watched the interview the other morning, Kevin said he speaks to Jon & Kate (not Jodi, just him), but I'm not so sure I believe that.

I purposely didn't tell the story of what some believe the reason Kate doesn't speak to her family, because I thought it was hog wash, even though it wouldn't surprise me in the least if even Kate was that shallow. I never read anything about a mural, can't comment on it.
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 29th 2009, 4:31 pm

Now they are being investigated. Someone complained. This is getting ridiculous. It's like a witch hunt.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090529/ap_on_en_tv/us_tv_jon___kate_investigation
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PostSubject: Re: John and Kate plus 8   May 29th 2009, 6:24 pm

I don't think the investigation is bad. It is probably the only way to get this issue to die down. (Although I expect that the Kate hate will never end.) I hope TLC is telling the truth about the number of days and the timing of the filming. A couple of hours a day 2-3 days per week does not seem like that big a deal to me.

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